Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. I would stick with full fledged horns. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response I know of several people who have made than change. Posted February 9, 2005. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. The passive ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. You cannot paste images directly. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? Clear editor. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. Not my intent at all. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. It's futile. Display as a link instead, Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Clear editor. Are they really that different??? Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn .
Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. Just sent an email to my friend. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. Your link has been automatically embedded. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. You can post now and register later. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's Yeh. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Be sure to try several listening locations. It will! The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. Quote. By Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Hey! I haven't Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. It will work ok at 400 Hz. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. It would have to be mounted externally. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. Powered by Invision Community. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are $1700 Firm takes all. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Makes this a great hobby. Clear editor. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. The sound is very good. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. Affiliate programs and Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Add to cart. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. ). WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Free shipping for many products! well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. So I took the best of both worlds. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] I will always love my altecs. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? I want him to try them out. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. They are HUGE and so is their sound. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Display as a link instead, If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. By sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. Thank you, man! []. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. For two rather You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. However- Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE Item Information. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. Upload or insert images from URL. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. You're in denial. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. Your link has been automatically embedded. this can result in this site earning a commission. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. By Cant do that with new stuff. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. Display as a link instead, All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. I have put a lot of Labor bluesboy The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. DM Quote CaptnBob Your link has been automatically embedded. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. Price: US $4,000.00. You won't regret it! The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. You can post now and register later. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? Paste as plain text instead, Your previous content has been restored. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, It's as if the 511 was made for it! July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more Display as a link instead, I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? 19 thread, []. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. No mean feat. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. Pasted as rich text. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. This is a win-win situation. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. Schu It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. Naturally, keep all Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! Posted January 20, 2005. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! sweet. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Studio monitor class. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 They just disappear into the corners! Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers.

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